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    Advice on Driving lamps - not LED's

    Hey guys

    Gotta take my 1994 4th Gen in to the sparky soon because I don't seem to have High Beam on my H4 lamps - only the H1's come on?

    Anyway - I work nightshift; so pretty well drive every workday in the dark and being in the beautiful Victorian countryside, we have everything from Koalas to Cows, Roos and Foxes on the roads - so I wanted to get a decent pair of driving lights fitted too!

    Anyone had any joy with a particular brand - and what position did you choose to mount them? I'd like something that suits the front of the 'Lude - but not LED's coz I want longer range punchy beams, not just dazzle?

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    Man, you've had nothing but problems with those headlights.

    I'm pretty sure 4G's are only meant to use a single filament in the low beam lamps since the high beams are a separate bulb. The H4 is the right lamp but the car isn't wired to turn the other filament on. I checked mine out and there is a 3-pin connector on the back of the lamp but only two wires running to it. The low beam from the H4's should stay on when the high beams are flicked on though, at least that's how mine work. You might be able to wire in the extra filament from the H4's to come on with the H1's though. Each headlight is on it's own fuse but running off a common relay, if you have a 60W low beam, 55W high beam (H1) and run in the 55W high beam on the H4's and the 5W running light you're only up to 175W in each light (nearly 15A at 12V), but each is protected by a 20A fuse. I just hope Honda engineers use the same rules as electricians and rate the wiring higher than the fuse that protects it. I can't find anything on the power rating of the relay though, I suspect it would be much greater than required.

    I don't do that much country driving but I've found the high beams on the lude to be exceptional for visibility out of the city (when compared to other cars I've had), it's just the low beams that suck big-time. I'm running Philips Power2Night H4's and I think just normal H1's.

    Get yourself some sweet JDM fogs, they look so good. I don't think they have the punch you're after though. I can't say I've seen much is the way of driving lights for preludes, certainly plenty of fogs but since they're mounted in the bottom of the air dam they're all probably too low for your purposes. The good thing is since fogs were a factory option all the wiring is in place to take them, you just need to wire in the switch at one end and the foggy to the other. There are a bunch of write-ups around if you decide to go down this path.

    Edit: the thought suddenly occurred to me that heat could be a major concern if wiring in both filaments of the H4 to come on at once, you could potentially burn out the lamp base, the plug or even the headlight shroud. Halogen sucks and there's a really good reason we're not using it in the lighting industry much anymore. IDK if you've considered a DIY HiD projector retro-fit?
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    Lighting woes...

    Thanks - for your really comprehensive answer Tassie. Sounds like you're a sparky yourself?? After reading about your lighting - I must say that I'm envious, my high beam really sucks - absolutely nothing to rave about; with just the H1's coming on - and while they DO make things a little brighter - it's not much brighter! I'm running some Osram +110% Xenon - and they're still hopeless! Maybe I'll have to risk getting the H4's properly hooked up - and see how they perform?

    I appreciate what you've said about the foggies, being too low, in fact I thought that this would probably be an issue. A bit envious of the 4WD's who can just put 'em up on the roof - but somehow I don't think 'Ludes would look so cool?

    Anyway do you know a Aussie JDM supplier or will it be an Ebay or Japwreck sort of a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tassie_bb1 View Post
    IDK if you've considered a DIY HiD projector retro-fit?
    Really interested in these: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/H4-HID-Hi.../300606867355?

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    IDK, I'd be doing tonnes of research first. Apparently the HiD bulbs alone are a nuisance and blind other drivers, replacing your H4's alone will only change your low-beams as I mentioned before too. The way to go (the way most people go) would be a DIY projector retrofit but it's a LOT of money and work. I found a write-up here to give you an idea http://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...d.php?t=325818

    You could always go for some rally style driving lights like this guy. *note, actual rally car, may not be street legal


    If you're looking for the JDM foggies then you are on the right track, keep an eye on eBay, gumtree, wreckers etc and a set occasionally come up. There were a set for sale on PA recently but I think they're gone now. You can't get the proper ones new any more though. If you went the Hella/Narva route and mounted them in the air dam you certainly wouldn't be the first. It might even be a little more functional, just not as pretty.

    So do your H4's stay on with your H1's? If so then yours are working properly. The high beam filament is not meant to come on in the H4's ever, it simply was never used on preludes. In cars that use both filaments the low beam turns off when the high beam comes on, so the lamp is still only ever drawing 60W max. The difference is they shield the low beam and not the high beam filaments, that's how you can get the extra light without drawing more power but at the expense of the oncoming drivers retina's. If you wire in both filaments to come on at once then you are pushing the heat up due to drawing 115W per lamp, the wiring can take it but I don't think the bulbs or the housing were ever designed to take that kind of heat. I'm not even convinced that throwing in 75/70W lamps would not start melting things.

    BTW, not a sparky. I'm a Electrical Engineer who (attempts to) specialise in lighting design for commercial buildings. There isn't much crossover when it comes to automotive stuff unfortunately but the basis is the same, tip electrons in one end of a wire and get something good out the other.

    I want to go for a drive tonight now to make sure I'm not BSing you, it's been a while since i've taken her out after dark since she's not my DD anymore. When I took the headlights out to polish them I didn't bother aligning them again so the passenger one points up in the sky...

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    More lighting....

    Quote Originally Posted by tassie_bb1 View Post
    Apparently the HiD bulbs alone are a nuisance and blind other drivers.....

    You could always go for some rally style driving lights like this guy.....

    If you went the Hella/Narva route and mounted them in the air dam you certainly wouldn't be the first....

    So do your H4's stay on with your H1's?
    1. Perhaps I swap the H1's only to HID - that way they are only ever on - on High beam?
    2. Not keen on the look of above-bumper mounted bitumen burners.
    3. There's a pair here: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171178552...84.m1438.l2649 but they're expensive - even more than H1 HID option?
    4. Yeah - my H4 or main beams stay on without change.


    To get round it all without going to the cost and complexity of Projectors - I'm really thinking about makin' my H1's into HID - using these: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301032759...84.m1438.l2649

    Cheers

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    Sounds like you're lights are currently running correctly then.

    I did a little research for my own benefit and supposedly these 55W HiDs are just a 35W lamp that has been overdriven which will dramatically reduce lamp life, I don't think any of the big lamp manufacturers make a 55W. However, A Philips/Sylvania/Stanley etc. 35W Xenon can pump out around 3400 lumens (@4200k colour temp), compared to 1550 lumens of a regular Philips halogen H1 (@4100K). So since you are working with the same lens and reflector, assuming a similar lamp loss ratio, you can expect to at least double the light output from the 35W HiD. The 35W lamp is standard equipment in a lot of high-end modern cars. Something like this would be a better option http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/EDX-v1-HI...item3a5e3509ff, even though it's cheaper it actually uses Philips lamps in their intended configuration.

    Also, I found this out in my travels and figure I should stress this as a disclaimer, HiD's used as low-beams without self-levelling and headlamp cleaning devices are ILLEGAL for on-road use under the ADRs, i.e. if a cop pulls you over and you have these then you can be defected. I believe HiD replacement lamps are acceptable for use in high-beams though. If in doubt check with your local transport authority.

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    Thanks Tassie. I was really beginning to think I'd found a good H1 solution with the 55W or even up to 70W option. I'll take more of a look around now though; with the advice you've given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-gee View Post
    I foolishly DID go ahead and buy some HID's - just to use on the high beams mind you - so that I wasn't going to dazzle other drivers. BUT - my sparky was not keen on fitting them - even said that they were not supposed to; actually illegal. So now they're back on Ebay at half price!

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    I have 3 sets of them in the garage lying up,last set i went very blue on ommitance and had the paw paw follow me one night after fitting,just not worth the added attention.
    What about the Osram bulbs or the Phillips on the topend,are they worth the money?they all claim to be as good as one can expect but i'd be pushed spending $50 onwards for 2 standard bulbs.

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    OK - so I changed my mind on LED....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gregsir View Post
    What about the Osram bulbs or the Phillips on the topend,are they worth the money?they all claim to be as good as one can expect but i'd be pushed spending $50 onwards for 2 standard bulbs.
    I got some Osram 110% from the UK off an Ebay supplier - pretty good; most noticeable on high beam where you get a really white light. My sparky suggested an LED bar on a bracket over the number plate - so I'll get one of the guys at work to make a bracket in s/steel and have them fitted. Haven't fired them up yet - but they look pretty good? Like this - only 12 inch not 24 inch - here.

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    Good choice,good to see your focus is on safety Steve and thats why you wanted to go the hid route,alot of us do it just for show and obviously that extra brightness and modern appeal.
    I still hold my breath for a good set,last time i eyed up a Phillips hid kit on a Jap website,close to $100 but i have lost faith in these kits.
    Like yourself i just want something on the line of an improvement and with a little appeal and for your situation the Led bar seems the best for the moment,might not be the prettiest but very practical

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    Close shaves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gregsir View Post
    might not be the prettiest but very practical
    Shouldn't be too bad over the number plate (I hope). Not really much else in options; especially since I already have the Osram +110%. Lots of koalas, roos and cows down here in SW Victoria - had some close calls already in the past 12 months!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-gee View Post
    Shouldn't be too bad over the number plate (I hope). Not really much else in options; especially since I already have the Osram +110%. Lots of koalas, roos and cows down here in SW Victoria - had some close calls already in the past 12 months!

    Steve
    Have you considered removing the front number plate holder, mounting the plates lower on the front bar & having the LED recessed?

    If you did that you'd be able to mount the LED at the same level as the indicators/park lights (and maybe even have 2 of them to fill up the gap so to speak).

    Mount the number plates at the bottom of the bar at the same level the oem foggies get mounted.

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