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    No NSX or Type R Civic for us...

    http://tinyurl.com/24mfbq

    Good work guys, sounds promising.

    But hey, the new civic hybrid should be, err, fun.

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    Honda Australia's future looks set to be more about transport and less about dreams

    Honda, once recognised as a maker of sporty cars, is facing a future of selling nothing more than mainstream transport as its local line-up steadily shrinks.

    Over the past five years, the Japanese maker's 'hero' models have been gradually whittled away and according to Honda Australia managing director Toshio Iwamoto (pictured), there is nothing on the short-term horizon that might add some "spice" to the lineup.

    The Prelude coupe was axed back in 2002, followed by the NSX in 2004. Last year saw the final deliveries of Integra coupes to Australia and although the small two-seater S2000 remains on sale for the moment, it is believed that the current car will not be replaced.

    The new supercar NSX replacement that was shown in concept form at this year's Detroit motor show (also pictured) will not be available for Australia, as it will be left-hand drive only. This is also the case with Honda's new premium/large MDX SUV, which has now also dropped from the local sales lists.

    "For a couple of years, we have to live on bread-and-butter models," Iwamoto told CarPoint at this week's launch of the new CR-V.

    However, despite the reduction in models that leaves just Jazz, Civic sedan, Accord and Accord Euro, Odyssey, Legend, S2000 (for the moment) and the new CR-V in the lineup, Iwamoto says Honda is looking to increase its Australian sales by over 50 per cent in the next four years.

    Last year's total sales of 54,202 units was a Honda record for Australia and an increase of just over 15 per cent on the 2005 figure, but by 2010 Honda expects to be selling 80,000 cars a year locally.

    And this increase is expected without any major new model introductions. There will be, however, major model replacements with the next generation Accord and Jazz due on sale here in 2008, and potentially some diesel model additions -- though not until at least 2009 when the second-generation Honda diesel engines are available mated to automatic transmissions.

    The only other potential new vehicle in the pipeline for Australia is a new small hybrid model that will be purpose-built along the lines of Toyota's Prius rather than simply dropping a hybrid drivetrain into an existing product. This car is due on sale in Japan in 2008.

    Iwamoto acknowledged that the addition of a Civic hatch would help substantially in achieving Honda's local 2010 target but as it is presently built in the UK only, pricing and production capacity issues mean this is not an option.

    Other Honda sources have suggested there may be a possibility that the next generation Civic, due about 2010 will include a hatch version built in Thailand or Japan. This is not a certainty, however, as Australia's requirements alone would not be enough to substantiate the investment.

    In the meantime, Honda Australia is still desperately trying to get the Civic Type-R hot hatch from the UK to provide some sort of sports image. Even if it does get the green light, it will be available in limited numbers only.

    Any other sports/performance models are completely off the agenda as most (including the NSX replacement) will be badged exclusively under Honda's upmarket and sporty brand Acura. Iwamoto says the company would not consider introducing the premium brand here unless it was selling in excess of 100,000 Hondas annually.

    And there is little chance of Acuras being sold here with Honda badges either -- the Accord Euro being the sole exception. Honda in Japan is working to separate the two brands in a similar manner as Toyota has done with its main brand and Lexus.
    Its a sad day for Australia Honda enthusiast ): as if they'd just give up on the sports market over here and become another boring car maker....

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    big thumbs down for that one

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    I know a guy who specialises in conversions from left hand drive to right hand drive. Maybe I'll get him to look over the specs of the new NSX
    The path of Honda is beset on all sides by the iniquities of Mazda and the tyranny of Nissan. Blessed is the Honda owner who in the name of handling and performance shepherds his Honda through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his Honda's keeper and the finder of lost kilowatts. And I will strike down upon thee with great acceleration and furious VTEC those who attempt to overtake and destroy my Hondas. And you will know my name is PRELUDE when I lay my VTEC upon thee.


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    They've been boring for most of the 90's, definetly for the 00's. Continuing to drop every sport model they offer, toning down the rest.

    Like, eg the 3rd gen prelude, obviously built for enthusiests, they only offer the 106kw engine, no compromise.

    4th gen, introduce the S (shivers). But keep the VTiR in 5 speed only.

    funnily enough, come the 5th gen next to every model sold is slowtronic.

    Our s2000 is so over priced its not funny. Ditto the NSX.

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    well you see...they probly knew that next gt-r will be too good for new nsx....hehe so they threw in the towel
    "If sparks don't fly your rides' too high"

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    pffffffft......

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    And this is why I'm jumping camp to Subaru. We don't get the top-spec stuff the Jap's get, but at least our Subie's are still decent.

    2001 Honda Prelude VTi-L [NH-623M]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menthu Rae View Post
    And this is why I'm jumping camp to Subaru. We don't get the top-spec stuff the Jap's get, but at least our Subie's are still decent.
    this is very tru .. i only wish i could afford the premiums on the wrx ..

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    Mugen parts make me wet...

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    i wouldn;t worry about it, and left hand drive only NSX? i seriously doubt it. Just because Honda Australia are snivelling apologists doesn't mean that Hot Honda's are gone forever, you just have to be creative a bit more to waht you can purchase.

    All the more reason to spend your money on your Prelude, and never buy another car but have the most awesome prelude ever!


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    dont count your chickens before they hatch..

    by removing all sports cars from their line up Honda could be laying the foundations to bring acura into the country and create a suitable line up for their up market branding.

    With the hole being created in the market this could just be creating demand to bring the cars in. You never know might even see CTR there too!

    Anyways just speculation on the bright side.

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    i never really blew my load too hard over the NSX i figured id rather dream about a ferrari or lambo....the real deal

    dont get me wrong jap cars are my life but when their over a 70k pricetag and over 15years old id rather think of other things to spend it on.

    do u guys really think that if i was 21 back in 1993 that id even pay 45.990 for the 4th gen when it was first released?

    the whole point is buy a nice car for 10k and mod it to your best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91'lude View Post
    They've been boring for most of the 90's, definetly for the 00's. Continuing to drop every sport model they offer, toning down the rest.
    Yeah Honda was good for the early 90s and mids but just went down hill from there...

    So where are you jumping ship to? XP

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    Well, there's still plenty of their good models to own. The highlight of their 21st century is definetly the s2000. Which continue to ever move closer to the price people would like to spend on them (used).

    Which i just noticed, ludecrs' s2000 is up for $37,000?

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    oh yeah! there are some nice cars out there that when they become affordable will be great!!!!! eg. S2000, 350z

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