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    For the 3rd gens. Stock wheels with 4x100 PCD

    Regulations
    State by state regulations (TOYO publication)
    The following link details the regulations in NSW for selection of wheels and tyres for your car. This appears to be consistant with all states and teritories in Australia.
    Note that the load ratings are set in place as a design standard and are there for the safe operation of your vehicle. The use of a tyre with a lower load rating is a potential defect item.
    http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...vsi09_rev4.pdf

    Vic Roads Modification Guide


    Stock Bolt Pattern

    5th Generation (Vtir)::: 5x114.3mm
    5th Generation (Si)::: 4x114.3mm
    4th Generation (All) ::: 4x114.3mm
    3rd Generation (All)::: 4x100mm

    Studs are M12x1.5mm


    5th Generation (1997-2001)
    Min Load rating - 87
    Speed rating as per ID plate - V

    205/50/15 - Better Acceleration, Overall Diameter is Smaller
    205/55/15 - Recommended 15” Size Tire w/ 6.5" wide wheel
    215/50/15 - Larger Contact Patch, Better Acceleration, Overall Diameter is Smaller
    225/45/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is recommended, Overall Diameter is Smaller
    225/50/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is Recommended
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    205/50/16 - Stock Size, Recommended 16” Size Tire
    215/45/16 - Larger Contact Patch
    215/50/16 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
    225/45/16 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is Recommended
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    215/40/17 - Larger Contact Patch, Recommended 17” Size Tire
    215/45/17 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
    225/40/17 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Very Limited Selection of Brands
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    215/35/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Small Profile means Less Protection for Wheels
    215/40/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger, could rub on a lowered car.
    225/35/18 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Recommended tire size for 18x7.5" with at least a +48mm offset
    225/40/18 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger, Not Recommended if car is Lowered


    4th Generation (1992-1996)
    Min Load rating - 87
    Speed rating as per ID plate - V

    205/55/15 - Stock Size, Recommended 15” Size Tire
    205/50/15 - Better Acceleration, Overall Diameter is Smaller
    215/50/15 - Larger Contact Patch, Better Acceleration, Overall Diameter is Smaller
    225/45/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is recommended, Overall Diameter is Smaller
    225/50/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is Recommended
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    205/50/16 - Recommended 16” Size Tire
    215/45/16 - Larger Contact Patch
    215/50/16 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
    225/45/16 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is Recommended
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    205/40/17 - Overall Diameter is Smaller, Not Recommended w/ 7.5" wide or larger wheel
    215/40/17 - Larger Contact Patch, Recommended 17” Size Tire
    215/45/17 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
    225/40/17 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Very Limited Selection of Brands
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    215/35/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Small Profile means Less Protection for Wheels
    215/40/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger, could rub on a lowered car.
    225/35/18 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Recommended tire size for 18x7.5" with at least a +48mm offset
    225/40/18 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger, Not Recommended if car is Lowered


    3rd Generation (1988-1991)
    Min Load rating - 85
    Speed rating as per ID plate - V

    195/60/14 - Stock Size
    205/55/14 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Smaller
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    205/50/15 - Larger Contact Patch
    205/55/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    205/45/16 - Larger Contact Patch
    215/45/16 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    205/40/17 - Larger Contact Patch
    215/40/17 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger

    Offset


    4th & 5th Gen. Stock = 6.5" Wide Wheel w/ +55mm
    3rd Generation Stock = 5.5" Wide Wheel w/ +45mm


    6.5" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen

    Less than +38mm ::: You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well.
    +38mm to +55mm ::: You shouldn't have any problems. Recommended Offsets for 6.5" Wide Wheels.
    Larger than +55mm ::: You take the chance of rubbing the inside lining of the wheel well.


    7" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen

    Less than +38mm ::: Not Recommended
    +38mm to +41mm ::: Not Recommended if you are, or plan to be, lowered. You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well.
    +42mm to +44mm ::: This is a grey area if you are lowered, results vary depending on tire and/or drop. You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well.
    +45mm to +50mm ::: You shouldn't have any problems. Recommended Offsets for 7" Wide Wheels.
    Larger than +51mm ::: Not Recommend. You take the chance of rubbing the inside lining of the wheel well.


    7.5" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen

    Less than +40mm ::: Not Recommended
    +40mm to +43mm ::: Not Recommended if you are, or plan to be, lowered. You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well. Wouldn't recommend using any tire with an overall diameter larger than stock and/or with a tire width larger than 215.
    +44mm to +47mm ::: This is a grey area if you are lowered, results vary depending on tire and/or drop. You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well. Wouldn't recommend using a tire with an overall diameter more than slightly larger than stock, you chances of rubbing increase.
    +48mm to +52mm ::: You shouldn't have any problems. Recommended Offsets for 7.5" Wide Wheels.
    Larger than +53mm ::: Not Recommend. You take the chance of rubbing the inside lining of the wheel well.


    8" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen

    Not recommended without enlarging or rolling outside lip of wheel wells. Some people have had success with running offsets larger than +48mm, but you are taking an expense risk.

    For the 3rd gens.
    Stock wheels with 4x100 PCD

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    Junior Member kate's Avatar
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    I noticed the stud size for the 3rd gen is 4x100 - what other cars have the same size or pattern.. as i was looking at getting rims, but not sure what to look for

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    I think the 4th and 5th gen Civics have this studd pattern, possibly 3rd gens too
    The path of Honda is beset on all sides by the iniquities of Mazda and the tyranny of Nissan. Blessed is the Honda owner who in the name of handling and performance shepherds his Honda through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his Honda's keeper and the finder of lost kilowatts. And I will strike down upon thee with great acceleration and furious VTEC those who attempt to overtake and destroy my Hondas. And you will know my name is PRELUDE when I lay my VTEC upon thee.


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    Kate, You are safer getting a Multistud pattern to suit a four stud vehicle. These wheels have both the 4/100 PCD and the 4/114.3 PCD.

    You need to know the Pitch centre diameter (PCD). The PCD dictates how the wheel bolt holes line up so it is important that this is correct. A PCD of 4x100 would mean 4 bolt holes drilled through the centre of a 100mm circle. (see attached picture)

    The following is a general guide, it might help, it is not exhaustive and there are variations, eg Early lancers have a 4/114.3 PCD, later ones have 4/100, Early Hondas have 4/100 and later (after '92) Honda's have 4/114.3.

    BMW 4 stud, Daihatsu, Honda 4 stud, Kia, Mazda 4 stud, Mitsubishi 4 stud, Nissan 4 stud, Seat, Skoda, Subaru, Renault 4 stud Vauxhall, Toyota 4 stud

    I have a more complete list, I will post it up when I find it.
    Last edited by Preluderitis; 8th December 2006 at 10:41 AM.

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    Will there be any issues with a 16x7 +38 on a 3rd gen?

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    7" wide and +40 offset works
    At +38 the wheel will sit 2mm futher out.

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    Yeah I was thinking that too... hmmm 2mm shouldn't be a problem.

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    help lol

    so the 2nd ones arnt gunna fit then i guess ... http://www.preludeaustralia.com/foru...ad.php?t=31011

    casue they 18x 8? (complete newbie question here) but are they just gunna scrap the arch if i put these on or like wats gunna happen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef sam View Post
    so the 2nd ones arnt gunna fit then i guess ... http://www.preludeaustralia.com/foru...ad.php?t=31011

    casue they 18x 8? (complete newbie question here) but are they just gunna scrap the arch if i put these on or like wats gunna happen...
    Its all in black and white. ^^^

    8" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen

    Not recommended without enlarging or rolling outside lip of wheel wells. Some people have had success with running offsets larger than +48mm, but you are taking an expense risk.

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    so 8" wide wheels arent recommended no matter what size ie 16" 17" or 18"...????

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    it'd be very tough to fit them in, even with a perfect offset.

    most ppl that get away with 19" are 19x7.5"

    Although Im sure that there are some people out there with 8" wide tyres, but they probably dont want to go near full lock.

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    What offset is reccomended for 16x7 on a 3rd gen??

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_melba View Post
    What offset is recommended for 16x7 on a 3rd gen??
    Probably go the +42. Rouge is about to fit some soon. You may want to speak with him. Not sure what offset he got.

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    The offset i got is +40 which is fine according to the guidelines.

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    Updated

    5th gen
    215/40/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger, could rub on a lowered car.
    Reference

    http://www.preludeaustralia.com/foru...296#post394296

    Ive also placed the same note for the 4th gen as the fitments seem to be the same

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